[Kickstarter] HeroQuest 25th-Anniversary-Edition

[Greifenklaue]

[Kickstarter] HeroQuest 25th-Anniversary-Edition via GK-Blog

[Steff]

[Kickstarter] HeroQuest 25th-Anniversary-Edition via GK-Blog

Ha, da mach ich mit!

[Bangrim]

Dito.

Warte aber noch ein paar Updates ab.

[Greifenklaue]

Ich finds zu teuer, außerdem hab ich drei Grundboxen ...

[Bangrim]

Heroquest 25th Anniversary is the subject of an intellectual property dispute and is currently unavailable.

Heisst es jetzt seit knapp 3 1/2 Stunden auf der Heroquest Seite, da waren die ganzen Lizenz Angelegenheiten doch nicht so gut geklärt.   


Edit: Die Probleme gibt es nicht wegen GW oder Hasbro, nein es liegt derzeit an Moondesign Publishing.

Please bear with us. Gamezone and Moon Design are in a meeting negotiating a settlement for both parts at this time.

Moon Design believes that their interests in the HEROQUEST brand within the USA will be infringed upon. Although we are not distributing or selling our product in US territory. As a precaution Moon Design presented a C/D on the 27th of Nov. Our talks are coming to a point where the negotiation will benefit all those involved, which finally would let us offer our product in stores in the USA sometime next year.
The Moon Design C/D was suspended, but on the table, as another element in the negotiation. Here at Gamezone it is our hopeful understand that its activation is possibly by error as both parties where coming to an agreement. Said agreement would finally end beneficially for Fans in the USA by opening the physical distribution to stores in that country. This brief pause of activity is as harmful to the interests of Moon Design as it is to Gamezone Miniatures.

We are as surprised as the Heroquest community, we didn't expect that on Thanksgiving, of all days, to be wrapped up in this mess, that is so disagreeable for everyone involved. On a day such as this it is extremely complicated to get in touch with Moon Design. We are working diligently on a solution so we can continue with the project from where it is at the moment and reinforce it for the future.

Thank you. Dionisio

[Greifenklaue]

Tequila blogt dazu.

[Greifenklaue]

Moon Design hat die Hintergründe zu ihrem Handel auf ihrer Seite veröffentlicht:

Background concerning suspension of Gamezone's Kickstarter campaign

We want to give some background on the dispute surrounding Gamezone's Kickstarter campaign to launch a remake of the hybrid board game/roleplaying game originally published by Milton Bradley called "Heroquest".

Last week, Moon Design petitioned Kickstarter to remove the crowdfunding campaign for Gamezone's "Heroquest" game. "Heroquest" is the registered US trademark of Moon Design and is the name of our "Heroquest" roleplaying game and assorted products. To allow a game using the same name to be promoted in the United States through Kickstarter without a license would be an unacceptable dilution of our brand and create market confusion to our detriment.

The trademark "Heroquest" is registered by Francis Greg Stafford with the United States Patent and Trademark Office (Registration Number 4082281) for use in game book manuals. Moon Design Publications LLC has the exclusive license for use of that trademark. For some time now we have been working on creating a board game called "Heroquest" pertaining to the mythology of Glorantha and an updated version of our Heroquest roleplaying game.

The project by Gamezone, a Spanish game company, proposes to remake a role-playing/board game originally produced by Milton Bradley and Games Workshop in 1989. The project calls their game "Heroquest" which is identical to our registered mark and easily confused with it.

Gamezone initially asked us for use of the Heroquest trademark on July 31, 2013. The next day we asked them if they could provide us with a copy of any written agreement with Hasbro to produce a 25th Anniversary Edition of Hasbro's board game. Gamezone did not provide us with any written confirmation (and as of this date still has not done so). On August 26, 2013, we informed Gamezone by email that we must decline their request.

Despite being explicitly refused permission to use our trademark, Gamezone went ahead and launched this Kickstarter. As a New York State corporation, Kickstarter is subject to US trademark laws and the use of our trademark in the campaign was a violation of those laws.We told Gamezone that they needed to immediately get a licensing agreement from us (which, among other things, would require that they pay us for the rights to the name since it would mean foregoing our opportunity to release our game using our trademark and to compensate us for that lost revenue).

Gamezone did not get back to us within the period we set, and rather than have this end up in litigation (which could also bring in other parties with IP at stake), we asked Kickstarter to suspend the campaign. We then spoke to Gamezone informing them that we had certain non-negotiable demands for any license agreement, among them a statement that Gamezone has explicit permission from Hasbro to make this game based on their IP. Gamezone has assured us that they can get such permission, but until we see confirmation, we cannot responsibly license our trademark to be used in this Kickstarter campaign.

We sympathize with the fans of the Milton Bradley game who enthusiastically supported this project. We strongly support Kickstarter and the revitalization of old games with a loyal following. However, such activities must be done with the consent of the trademark holder and of any other legal owners of the property.

Kurzum, manch einer agiert auf Kickstarter doch ziemlich blauäugig ...

[Greifenklaue]

Die Spanier informieren jetzt:

"Update about KS pause
hq25admin   No comments 

Dear Backers

Last Friday we were surprised by the pause placed on our kickstarter Project of HQ25. We wrote a communiqué to you, which was also posted on our site heroquestclassic.com. In our letter we tried to communicate to you in the clearest fashion what was happening and as well to share with you all, our petition to kickstarter to have the project reopened. To do all of this publicly was to us the correct way for you as our backers to be informed of the situation and the most correct and transparent way to communicate with you as well, as our backers you have the right to know what was going on with this project.

We have done what you have ask for, we have waited in silence for KS' answer. It has arrived. KS would prefer to keep the project on hold and wait for us to come to an agreement with third part.
The KS answer can be seen at this LINK.
KS' position does not agree with as at all. The situation produced by the pause of the project has been harmful.

We do not feel that our legitimate rights over the Trademark have been protected and above all we do not wish to do business with third part under threats or duress of any sort. As a result we are proceeding to solicit KS to cancel our project on their platform.

Is this the end of HQ25? Of course not! Keep reading!
We accept the all of the respectful critics that has come our way because we learn from these things and if someone thinks differently they are free to express those opinions. What we do not accept is the disinformation y distortions that have been happening during the project's pause on KS in which we have remained silent and waited.

During these past few days our creative design crew has still been working on the development of various components, the same as always, the idea being to not lose any energy with this controversy.
The thirteen on the gallows, as we have fondly started calling the 13 professionals that are implicated in the creation of the project, have as a priority the development of this commemorative game.

We are truly more worried about you, the backers. We want thank you for the messages of support that have been rolling in. The public reaction to the news of a new edition of this classic provided undeniable and sincere joy to many. We will hold onto this as the rout to follow.

After this communiqué is sent out we will proceed to ask KS to cancel the project on their platform. After this is done we will immediately restart and continue the HQ25 project. More info at heroquestclassic.com. Therefore the HQ25 project will return to active status. We will move from victims to survivors and conquer as we go.

We understand that KS has a larger public base than any other crowed funding platform today; we understand that moving the project to another site will mean that out backer support will decrease. However we are ready and willing to continue this campaign in a place that will offer us the correct guaranties for our trademark. We would prefer to raise fewer funds and still move forward with and produce it in time for the 25th anniversary.

We await your support and enthusiasm in this renewed crowed funding campaign.
Again, we would like to thank our backers from the bottom of our hearts, please do not regret supporting us. Let us all together get this back on track and make this dream a reality.

Gamezone Team"

[Argamae]

WTF? Was wollen diese Spanier denn nun? Entweder sie haben die Rechte an dem Warenzeichen oder nicht. Klingt doch ziemlich pussy-mäßig ("durch Drohungen und Nötigungen treten wir nicht in Verhandlungen mit der dritten Partei"), denn wenn ich die äußerst klar formulierte Äußerung von Moon Design lese, klingt das deutlich professioneller. Wollen sie nun auf eine Crowdfunding-Seite wechseln, die nicht den US-Gesetzen unterliegt, oder wie?
Jedenfalls klingt es so, als würden sie sich um die Trademark-Frage herum drücken...

[Steff]

Jedenfalls klingt es so, als würden sie sich um die Trademark-Frage herum drücken...

Jepp, verstehe ich auch so.

[Greifenklaue]

Die Spanier versuchten es nun bei der Kickstartplattform Verkami. Allerdings sperrten auch die das nach wenigen Stunden ...

Obskures fasst zusammen: http://glgnfz.blogspot.de/2013/12/grt-gratisrollenspieltag-2014.html

-> http://obskures.de/2013/heroquest-25th-anniversary-verkami/

[Bangrim]

Falscher Link

Aber hier dann mal die Mitteilung von Verkami:

Dear backers,

We want to comunicate our decision of stoping the campaign were you had pledged: 'Heroquest 25th Anniversary'

The urge to publish the project by the authors today sunday 8 at 1 am has precipitated it's publication without being able, the team of verkami, to spend the right time to review the project.

After carefully studying the campaign, we believe that the content of the project could be misleading to our users.

Your pledges will be cancelled so no charges will be made in your card or PayPal account.

We thank you for your trust, and we want to apologize for any inconvenience our handling of the project might have caused.

Verkami team

[Argamae]

Gute Güte! Da scheinen die Projektmacher aber arg gutgläubig und blauäugig an die ganze Sache herangegangen zu sein. Und ihr Umgang mit der Rechtsfrage hat ihnen nun auch nicht gerade Kredit bei eventuell nun doch noch anstehenden Verhandlungen mit Moon Design eingeräumt. Wäre schade, wenn es verpufft - ansich ist die Revival-Auflage eine hübsche Idee.

[Greifenklaue]

Crazy Eights (plus one): Nine questions with Mike Selinker about HeroQuest 25th Anniversary Edition

Ein ehemaliger Hasbro-Spieldesigner wird zu HeroQuest gefrsgt, u.a. zu den Risiken des Projekts.

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HeroQuest auf über 400.000 Euro.

-> http://www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/necesidades/