Vampire V4.0 - wie gehts mit Gehanna vorran?

[Greifenklaue]

Also, Leute, sagt mir bitte, ob ich halluziniere, aber ist der von Chaotisch Behse veröffentlichte "Klappentext" bzw. Werbetext für Vampire: The Requiem nicht GENAU das, was sinngemäß schon immer auf Vampire-Regelwerken stand...

Daher setzt ich das "ganz neue gewand" auch stets in Klammern...

Ach ja, Abzocke kann so herrlich sein...

[Argamae]

Gehört hier nicht wirklich in den THREAD, aber trotzdem:

@ Chaotisch Behse: Wenn ich mir so durchlese, welche Thematik hinter UNKNOWN ARMIES steckt, dann befürchte ich, daß wir UA ebenso mit einem "ab 18" Bann belegen müssen, wie Vampire Live...  [25]

[Chaotisch Behse]

Was ist denn ein Ab 18 Bann? Deswegen dürft ihr es euch doch trotzdem kaufen oder? Man MUSS es ja nicht zwangsläufig im Forum spieln! ;-)

[McArden]

Gut gut....

aber was da Inhaltlich nun Inhaltlich im 'Gehanna- Regelwerk' zu erwarten steht weiß keiner so genau?

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[Chaotisch Behse]

Nein weiß ich leider nich!

[Greifenklaue]

Einige Neuigkeiten, der Kram ist ja draußen, direkt von Wizards, gefunden unter: http://www.white-wolf.com/index.php?line=news&articleid=40

10 Things About the World Of Darkness and Vampire: The Requiem

Our Favorite New Bits and Pieces

As we worked the booth at Gen Con debuting the new World Of Darkness and Vampire: The Requiem, the same question kept coming up over and over: "So why is this better than the old World Of Darkness?" We thought some of you might have the same question so we now present to you... 10 things we like about the new World Of Darkness and Vampire: The Requiem.

Vampire: The Requiem has only 5 clans. As we went through the design process, we looked at what we felt were the cultural and literary archetypes for vampires. Noble and lordly (Ventrue), animalistic (Gangrel), horrifying (Nosferatu), sensual and passionate (Daeva), and mysterious keepers of occult secrets (Mekhet) seemed to encompass most popular vampire lore. If we already had already created a clan that fit that archetype then we stuck with it, but if the idea needed a bit more tweaking, we expanded it a bit more. For example, we felt that the Toreador were too specifically focused on art to encompass all of the passionate, sultry Kindred so we created the Daeva. On the other hand, the Gangrel were almost perfect as-is, and made the transition with relatively little change. Having only five clans allows us to focus more broadly on defining each one and expanding them through bloodlines. Almost any vampire concept from Western civilization fits into the new clan structure, and those that don't can be fine-tuned through use of bloodlines.


One Hallmark Discipline Per Clan. We felt that the clans weren't distinct enough in their abilities in the old game, so we increased the number of core Disciplines to 10. Each clan now has one Discipline that they are considered masters of, and they share a common pool of traditional vampire abilities as well.


Bloodlines and Blood Potency. In order to expand the character options from the five basic clans and the five basic covenants, we created a system by which players and Storytellers can realize new bloodlines. At 2 dots of Blood Potency a childe may adopt his sire's bloodline. At 4 dots, he may adopt any clan bloodline and at 6 dots, he may create his own bloodline. For Example: Tomas, a Gangrel of the Bruja bloodline, Embraces a childe named Danielle. Upon her Embrace, Danielle gains Blood Potency 1 and becomes a Gangrel. At Blood Potency 2, she may adopt her sire's bloodline and become a Bruja. At Blood Potency 4 she may adopt a different Gangrel bloodline. At Blood Potency 6 she may create her own Gangrel bloodline. She can do only one of these things, as once you take a bloodline, there is no going back. Some bloodlines even have their own specific, unique bloodline Disciplines, which players may also work with the Storyteller to create.


Simplified Combat System. No more two-hour combats! The new system has been pared down to one simple dice roll in order to lend a more dramatic feel and pace to combat. You simply roll your character's Attribute + Skill + a weapon or equipment modifier and subtract your opponent's defense. Any successes you achieve on that roll count as that many points of damage.


New Flaw System. One of the more abused systems in the old Storyteller ruleset was taking flaws at character creation – you got the points for them even if you never roleplayed them. Under the new system, you get no additional character creation points for taking flaws. Instead, you receive additional experience points for roleplaying those flaws when they come up in the course of a story.


Power Changes Hands. In the old setting, most princes or powerful characters had been dominant powers in their cities for centuries or more. Your characters had to be satisfied as pawns in the game. We wanted players to be able to take a more active role. As a powerful character (like a Prince) gains Blood Potency, her ability to feed becomes restricted. At Blood Potency 3 she may no longer feed on animal Vitae, and by Blood Potency 7 she may feed only on other vampires. As it becomes more difficult for elder Kindred to find prey, they eventually fall into torpor. Thus the power structure of a city changes much more frequently in a city giving players more of an opportunity to seize control.


One Core Rulebook. No longer are you forced to buy the same 150 pages of rules every time you explore a new World Of Darkness game. The core rules stay the same and need to be purchased only once. The World of Darkness book covers Attributes, Skills, Merits, Flaws, Combat, Equipment and a host of other concepts. In addition, the rules make it possible for you to play mortals in the World of Darkness and take them through their conversion to the supernatural should you so choose.


Genuinely Cross Compatible. The single rulebook illustrates our new emphasis on making the games entirely compatible with each other. Supernatural creatures may be treated as enemies with no conversions or approximate rule conversions and may even interact as often as they wish. The setting no longer assumes a blind, genocidal hatred between types of supernatural creatures, though they do remain enigmatic and mysterious.


No Caine. We loved the Caine myth, but we felt it overwhelmed all of the other setting material. Now we have multiple origin stories regarding the genesis of the Kindred, none of which are verifiable. Dracula, founder of the Ordo Dracul, claims to have had no Embrace, while the Lancea Sanctum believes that Longinus (the Roman soldier who speared Christ on the cross) was cursed with undeath when Christ's blood dripped on him from above. Cain may be out there, but who can say what he is, if he exists at all?


The Vinculum. Blood bonds are no longer guaranteed after consuming another Kindred's Vitae. Powerful characters can potentially resist the Vinculum for some time before succumbing. This leads to false bonds, where an individual poses as being bound only waiting for the right time to act, and in general contributes to a more mysterious state of vampirism.

[Christophorus]

Der König ist tot. Es lebe der König.

Vom Thron mit ihm.

[Argamae]

Nun ja. Nach anfänglicher Skepsis habe ich nach Lektüre der oben genannten "10 Gründe" Gefallen an der neuen WORLD OF DARKNESS gefunden, wenngleich ich Sätze wie "alle Regeln sind in einem Grundregelwerk enthalten und müssen nicht ständig neu gekauft werden" schon sehr oft gehört habe (insbesondere bei White Wolf) - und nie wirklich glaube.
Aber die Idee mehrerer Schöpfungsmythen, der Entkräftung der starren Hierarchie ("Machtpyramide"), der Verkleinerung der Clans sowie der nicht mehr strikten Trennung übernatürlicher Wesen in "Freunde" oder "Feinde" der Vampire gefallen mir.
Auch eine Simplifizierung der Regeln ist sicher sinnvoll (in einem Spiel, daß sich selbst "storytelling" nennt).
Fragt sich nur: warum nicht gleich so?  [23]

[Dead man walkin`]

Jupp jupp jupp, ich habe da auch bock drauf, die Toreador mochte ich eh nie [25]

Nein im ernst, ich hab zwar nie Vampire P&P gespielt aber ich mag dieses "natürliche Auslese" gepaart mit Endzeit-flair(?!) incl es gibt nurnoch böse Vampire.
Ich bin da echt heiß drauf...
Und nurnoch 5 Clans und jeder Clan seine eigene Clansdisziplin, ist doch nur Cool...
Was für Blutlinien die Ventrue wohl hervorbringen werden???
Also immer nur her damit...

[Chaotisch Behse]

Wobei du ja mit den Daeva die Toreador wieder im Spiel hast, die Daeva sind sozusagen die Toreador und die Toreador antitribu zusammengeschmissen!

Ich war Anfangs auch strikt GEGEN dieses neue Vampire... aber je mehr man erfährt desto spannender ist es.
Ich spiele gerade eine Forenrollenspielrunde Vampire Requiem und bin wirklich begeistert!

Alles ist viel mehr... vampirisch!!!

Wer Anne Rice mag wird Requiem lieben [15]

[Toreador]

Wobei du ja mit den Daeva die Toreador wieder im Spiel hast, die Daeva sind sozusagen die Toreador und die Toreador antitribu zusammengeschmissen!
[15]

nich ganz richtig... White Wolf hat versucht, die Grundzüge des Vampirmythos in den einzelnen Clans zu realisieren...

Vampire: The Requiem has only 5 clans. As we went through the design process, we looked at what we felt were the cultural and literary archetypes for vampires. Noble and lordly (Ventrue), animalistic (Gangrel), horrifying (Nosferatu), sensual and passionate (Daeva), and mysterious keepers of occult secrets (Mekhet) seemed to encompass most popular vampire lore. If we already had already created a clan that fit that archetype then we stuck with it, but if the idea needed a bit more tweaking, we expanded it a bit more. For example, we felt that the Toreador were too specifically focused on art to encompass all of the passionate, sultry Kindred so we created the Daeva. On the other hand, the Gangrel were almost perfect as-is, and made the transition with relatively little change. Having only five clans allows us to focus more broadly on defining each one and expanding them through bloodlines. Almost any vampire concept from Western civilization fits into the new clan structure, and those that don't can be fine-tuned through use of bloodlines.

Das hervorgehobene müsste jeder noch selbst übersetzen können, oder?

http://www.white-wolf.com/vampire/index.php?articleid=40

[Chaotisch Behse]

Ich persönlich sehe da jetzt nicht sooo die Komplikationen mit meiner Aussage. Für mich waren die Toreador IMMER mehr als nur Künstler oder Kunstliebhaber, sie sind/ waren die Sinnlichen, nicht nur was Kunst angeht und so ziemlich genau DAS sind sie jetzt auch...

[Toreador]

für dich... aber was scherts die Wölfe  [22]

[Christophorus]

Nach allem, was ich nun über "Vampire: The Requiem" gelesen habe, haben sich zwei Merkmale bei mir festgesetzt:

1.) Das überarbeitete System klingt verdammt interessant, und
2.) Poste doch mal Deine Meinung, Ingo. Abwechslung schadet nicht [15]

[Greifenklaue]

Meine Meinung...

Naja, ich kann zumindest ein paar kommentare geben!

Mir wär ein kontinuierlicher Übergang V1.3 zu V2.0 lieber gewesen!

Die Aussage "nur noch ein Kernregelwerk" ist der Hohn schlechthin. hab ich die Dinger immer gedruckt oder White Wolf! Schön, dass man jetzt die eigene Praxis in frage stellt, aber ich würde mich da irgendwie vor den kopf gestoßen fühlen.

Lustig ist auch, dass Vampire: dark age anscheinend nicht "gechangt" wird, sondern weiterhin dich gen v1 entwickelt.

Klar, interessant find ich v2.0 auch, auch bekommt es ne chance in ner testrunde (Winke, winke, Toreador!) ABEr das Etikett VÖLLIG NEU ist aus meiner Sicht nicht erfüllt.

Wie du schon schriebst: der König ist tot, es lebe der König!